GSGP on Rindfleisch

Don’t miss the comments over at Jerry Galipeau’s Gotta Sing Gotta Pray on Pray Tell’s Xavier Rindfleisch piece. I don’t know who “anonymous” is over there, but he knows what he’s talking about.

Now, I do know who Xavier Rindfleisch is. But I’m not telling. (You probably already guessed that.) I’ll give you only five clues. He’s not 47. His last name isn’t German. He doesn’t live in Stearns County MN. He doesn’t conduct Gregorian chant. He gets how cell phones work.

So that narrows it down to the entire human race minus one person. Happy guessing.

awr

Anthony Ruff, OSB

Fr. Anthony Ruff, OSB, is a monk of St. John's Abbey. He teaches liturgy, liturgical music, and Gregorian chant at St. John's University School of Theology-Seminary. He is widely published and frequently presents across the country on liturgy and music. He is the author of Sacred Music and Liturgical Reform: Treasures and Transformations, and of Responsorial Psalms for Weekday Mass: Advent, Christmas, Lent, Easter. He does priestly ministry at the neighboring community of Benedictine sisters in St. Joseph.

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13 responses to “GSGP on Rindfleisch”

  1. Jeffrey Pinyan

    +JMJ+

    With all this anonymity and what-not, I’m wondering who’s going to be the first party to adopt transparency.

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    1. Karl Liam Saur

      Vox Clara folks are required to remain anonymous by their terms of service.

      Lots of people have been advocating for transparency. Rome does not like it.

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  2. Jeremy Stevens

    Gee, if you were blowing the whistle on incompetency on Vox Clara or in the Congregation with texts that no one outside there had seen before would you be anonymous? If you were the people on Vox Clara or in the Congregation who had produced those messed up texts would you be anonymous? Yeah me too.

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    1. Jeffrey Pinyan

      +JMJ+

      if you were blowing the whistle on incompetency on Vox Clara or in the Congregation with texts that no one outside there had seen before would you be anonymous?

      Why, would they excommunicate me? Lie about it all? Hey, if they don’t care enough about their souls to play fair, that’s not my concern.

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        Anthony Ruff, OSB

        I have mixed feelings for sure about anonymity, but I think there will always be situations where it is, unfortunately, necessary. Witness Xavier Rynne writing for the New Yorker during Vatican II. If people felt they could express their heartfelt concerns without repercussions for their employment or their ministry opportunities, I’m sure most would. But our church – more than other churches, I’m pretty sure – makes people feel they have to write anonymously. In churches where they publish every draft of liturgical texts, where the names of everyone doing the work are known, where reports are given at every stage, where input is sought from anyone who will give it, where the texts are voted on by synods or sessions or bodies of laity and clergy and bishops / superintendants / overseers, no one feels the strong need to write anonymously. So if you want to criticize the anonymity, you should also critique our church structures – which are far from being as collegial as they could be.
        And of course the mainline media quote and use anonymous sources in their news stories every day of the week.
        awr

      2. Karl Liam Saur

        The institutional culture of the Church virtually commands anonymity.

  3. Philip Endean SJ

    The lack of transparency and of due process is all of a piece with the unimaginativeness and mean-spiritedness informing Liturgiam authenticam and its various consequences (the most egregious of which so far is the proposed new English translation hidden somewhere in the Vatican). To translate just is to communicate with someone of a different background, and to recognise that authentic human relationships are, logically, pluralist. This requires good reciprocal communication. Institutional Catholicism is ambivalent and insecure when it comes to recognising this. Its best instincts lead it in this direction (a Vatican II can happen), but all too easily we confuse ecclesial communio with dreary (totalitarian?) uniformity.

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  4. Philip Endean SJ

    The well-informed ‘anonymous’ on Gotta sing, gotta pray provokes me into the thought that if he and Herr Rindfleisch outed themselves, they would be making a prophetic gesture against the habits of thought and action that have so poisoned the whole process of the 2008 text from the beginning.

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  5. Steve Adams

    Any updates on the meeting at the Vatican this week w/ the ICEL and SCDW?

    Does Mr. Anonymous have a leak to give us? Haha.

    Side humor bar: When I was taking a hymnody class for my undergrad. degree, we were looking at various hymnal index layouts to critique them… a young girl taking the class as an elective raised her hand and said “Gee, this Anonymous guy really wrote a lot of hymns!” 🙂

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  6. Jeremy Stevens

    Anonymous over at Gotta Sing Gotta Pray didn’t put up any information about the ICEL meeting but added a bunch of stuff from the 2010 received missal that X R didn’t have in his article here. The mistakes are pretty bad. Go look if you haven’t seen it. He also put up some pretty funny stuff about the Commission too and one of the advisors who always says Between you and I. No wonder there’s problems with the English.

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  7. Pat Vallez-Kelly

    Jeremy Stevens :

    No wonder there’s problems with the English.

    Yes, like all of that subject / verb agreement stuff. Seems like there are problems with the Americans, too.

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  8. Jeremy Stevens

    Funny, Pat. Only thing is I’m not working for Vox Clara or Congregation in Rome. Now we know what you think of my English but guess you’re satisfied and happy with theirs, huh?

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    1. Pat Vallez-Kelly

      No, I’m not entirely happy with what I’ve seen, especially with what’s been recently shared. I’m sorry for highlighting your mistake. I made a mistake of charity, which is worse, and my humor was smallminded. I apologize.

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