St. Joseph in the Eucharistic Prayer

Fr. John Zuhlsdorf has the story.

Now if the prayers other than EPIII would allow for the insertion of the patron or the saint of the day…

25 comments

  1. I’m told it’s at the bishops-only site of the USCCB and will be made public very soon. It is being sent out officially to priests from some diocesan offices already. Apparently it leaked before expected.
    awr

  2. Very interesting. Start off with a benign and universally welcome amendment to RMIII, and go from there. Perhaps the next will go something like this: On the authority of Holy Father Francis, the new German and Italian translations of RMIII will include the words “fur alle” and “por tutti” in the consecratory prayer over the cup. The English language episcopal conferences are free to authorize “for all” or “for many” for their respective conferences. Who knows, but can’t wait to see Fr. Z’s commentary on that one.

      1. @Scott Smith – comment #4:
        Yes, there are some people on the left and the right who have difficulties simply being thankful… They have to throw in their agendas in everything they see. Life must be quite be quite trying for them and for those around them. They need our prayers and the grace of God to snap out of it.

  3. It would be nice to be able to commemorate the saint of the day. In the older rites, there was the mention of those “quorum reliquiae hic sunt” and the “istorum” in the “suscipe sancta trinitas” seems to refer to the same, but even there there was not the opportunity to explicitly mention the name of a saint, except for when it was mentioned during the super oblata.

  4. Well, looks like the rest of the Church is catching up with the Canadian Church. Canada requested insertion of Joseph in all the anaphoras back in the 1998 Sacramentary. Only took 15 years for the CDWDS to approve it, LOL.

  5. I’ve heard it said that traditionalists often lack a sense of humor. That shows up here from time to time. Cheers!

    1. @Jack Feehily – comment #8:

      Apologies if it was supposed to be funny.

      I might dispute who is lacking in humor, but the thought of the reaction if that line was used as a joke at my local comedy club has just given me the best laugh I have had all week, so we might have equally as strange tastes in jokes.

  6. Oh come on…who doesn’t already mention the saint of the day or/and patron of the parish in the remaining 11 Eucharistic Prayers?

    Or, to be less controversial, why no instructions to add St. Joseph in the remaining 9 prayers allowed in the US?

  7. Why has this taken 2000 years? I’m serious. Was devotion to St. Joseph not strong in the early Church?

    1. @Ann Olivier – comment #11:
      I’m sure not. ( devotion to St Joseph in the “early” church). Not much mention in the eastern tradition, as far as I know in both Orthodox and eastern-rite Catholic. So it s a fine thing, but is not universal or early, or it would be in the eastern devotions.

      Mark MIller

  8. I fail to see the reason for the enthusiastic reception of this change. I don’t see why the late veneration of St. Joseph should be given this level of sanction. The Roman Canon is a different case since it names multiple saints – but the others only single out the Virgin Mary for a particular reason. I’m not opposed to individual communities (or even countries) for whom this insertion holds special meaning going ahead with something like this – but I don’t see why it should be imposed universally.

    It is also a bit strange to see this after Marini II reverted back to the traditional order of precedence in the Litany for recent Papal ceremonies surrounding the transition, placing St. John the Baptist before St. Joseph (in the books of Marini I, it was/is the other way around)

  9. Regarding: “Well, looks like the rest of the Church is catching up with the Canadian Church. ”
    – As I recall the Church in Canada also lead the way in North America by allowing girls to be altar servers.

    – All in all it is good to learn that the our esteem for the husband of Mary has grown to such magnitude that adding his name to the Missal from Rome is not seen as an innovation. Rather it is understood as an apt and timely development within the church.

  10. I wonder if the insertion has something to do with countering the Gay Marriage lobby happening in several countries at this time!

  11. Hello Deacon Fritz,

    Now if the prayers other than EPIII would allow for the insertion of the patron or the saint of the day…

    Not a world-ender – not a hill I might die on – but why are the collects of the day not sufficient to this end? I’m just curious to hear your thinking.

    Other random observations:

    1. Some see this as a more traditional-leaning move…which has some small irony, given that it was not without controversy when St. Joseph was first added to the Canon in 1960 – the first real change to the Canon in many centuries.

    2. It’s curious, and a little frustrating, that Pope Benedict could not have promulgated this change with the last edition of the missal. At a stroke, missals everywhere are now out of date, and replacing them is not cheap for most parishes. Many, of course, will probably opt to put in inserts or paste over the changes on the relevant pages…but this is an issue given too little thought by some in Rome.

    3. Lastly: I wonder why the Holy See has opted for ‘eius sponso’ instead of ‘eiusdem virginis sponsi,’ the form it took when it was introduced in 1960, and remains in EP I in the OF?

      1. @Fritz Bauerschmidt – comment #21:

        Hello Deacon Fritz,

        I think that’s an entirely fair question to ask – though, of course, I might ask it with a different emphasis…

        But that’s fodder for another thread. In any case, since we are on the issue of consistency, one wonders about the Eucharistic Prayers for Various Needs and Occasions…

    1. @Richard Malcolm – comment #20:
      I wonder if it’s a nod to ecumenism; IIRC, the traditional Eastern view is that Joseph was an older widower, perhaps with adult children (whom Mary would not have needed to take care of as such, so they did not travel with JMJ).

      1. @Karl Liam Saur – comment #23:

        Hello Karl,

        It’s certainly possible. My own theory, not that I would place any money on it, is that they opted for a simpler and less descriptive phrasing to keep it in line with the flavor of the other EP’s. But I’m just speculating. I’d be curious to know why this chose this formulation.

  12. Mark Miller —

    Thanks for the information. Very interesting. I wonder why such a late-starting devotion is now apparently universal. There really isn’t much in Scripture about St. Joseph. So why the growth in devotion? Because he really does come through for those who pray to him? Hmmm 🙂

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