Prediction Squelched

Reports of a coming “reform of the reform” from the Vatican prove not to be well-founded.


  1. “Squelched”? “Prove”?

    Lombardi seems to deny something that Torneilli didn’t say in the first place.

    “…promoting a liturgy that is more faithful to the original intentions of the Second Vatican Council, with less space for arbitrary changes, and for the recovery of a dimension of greater sacrality…”, what Torneilli wrote is rather less than “…a control, of a ‘restrictive’ kind, by the Congregation, of the fostering of the liturgical renewal willed by the Second Vatican Council.”, which was denied by Lombardi.

    I think. as always with Vatican documents, we should wait to say with certainty what they contain until we actually see them.

  2. Really?

    Might the Vatican be shifting the jurisdiction of 500 cases of unconsummated marriages per year from the Divine Worship Office to the “Roman Rota” court? Arranged marriages and couples psychologically incapable of intercourse making way for a possible “reform of the reform”?

    This article gives me a shockingly new awareness of my total ignorance regarding the concerns with which the Vatican is occupied. I had no idea. Had I not been desperately searching for understanding in regard to the New Missal, I might have lived my whole life without ever knowing. I’m still not sure where I may find a place of empathy for them, though the couples have my concern.

    I wonder……could the opposite be true? Would my concerns be of as great a shock to them?

    It would explain a lot.

  3. Hmm..

    Lombardi’s “denial” is hardly that. He says …

    there is no foundation or motive to see in this an intent to promote a control of a ‘restrictive’ type, by the Congregation in promoting a liturgical renewal desired by the Second Vatican Council.

    He doesn’t say…

    there is no foundation or motive to see in this an intent to promote a liturgical renewal desired by the Second Vatican Council.

    So… we have no reason to believe that the CDW will propose “restrictive” measures in the pursuit of a “Reform of the Reform”. Did anyone think they were going to use “restrictive” measures toward this end?

    But that’s a very different thing from saying that Tornielli’s report is false. And as might be recalled, Lombardi’s track record on reading the actions of the curia has been less than exemplary… quite a bit less. In that regard, Tornielli has been a much more reliable source.

  4. My new friend,

    I find great wisdom written here. So my words, before written, were simply well considered.

    Are there not degrees of importance in the things that draw our interest?

  5. Paul;

    Not sure what article you meant to link to, but that just goes to the NLM Frontpage. Were you intending the article about the Tornielli prediction? That would be

    I have some mixed feelings about the conclusion he draws unless he really has an inside source. If not, that’s some major tea-leaf reading. Honestly though, the idea actually makes sense when you consider Pope Benedict’s past writings on the issue of the liturgy and the ROTR. He seems to feel that it is very closely related to the issue of the “New Evangelization”… another newly tasked curia office. Many have understood the entire series of actions for the past several years to be heading in the direction of an eventual reform effort. This would fit that mold pretty well.

    We’ll have to wait and see.

  6. I would believe Tornielli. With hindsight, we know that he reported after the Synod on the Eucharist that there was talk of changing the typica of MR and praenotanda of various rites. The Holy See press came out and said ‘no’ those years ago. Then just this year Cañizares has stated more than once that CDWDS is looking at the praenotanda of certain rites. So it may be slow, Ranjith then Cañizares , but its there.

  7. The CDWDS refuses to consistently re-evaluate the ramifications of liturgical legislation already in force. Consider the implementation of Summorum Pontificum and its inadequate response to the anti-Jewish passages in the Missal and Breviary. Rita Ferrone’s comment on Chris Angel’s PrayTell book review of her Worship article on anti-Jewish EF liturgical passages (vol. 84, no. 6, November 2010) suggests that the implementation of Summorum Pontificum has not paid due attention to the reformation of the older liturgical texts. The CDWDS remains silent on the significant need to re-evaluate the EF in light of Catholicism’s new relationship with Judaism and the Church’s repentance for past anti-Judaism and anti-Semitism. The reputation and moral integrity of the Church’s liturgical life diminishes proportionately with continued inaction.

    If the CDWDS cannot handle moral imperatives well, then it is doubtful that the office possesses the ability to rework the Ordinary Form without creating a fresh set of ambiguities. The CDWDS should withold further OF liturgical reform until it assesses the success of the new vernacular translations. A conservative reification of the OF is not only unfair to progressive Catholics but ultimately destructive to conservative aspirations as well. Ambiguity and incomplete directives stymie the legitimate aspirations of all Catholic liturgical positions.

  8. Jordan;

    I doubt seriously that what is actually in the cards is anything like what you seem to be imagining. It’s less likely that they will do a conservative rework of the. OF than simply weed out some of the widely acknowledged accretions

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