Comments on: Implementing MS 33 – One Attempt

By: Karl Liam Saur

Karl Liam Saur — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:11:32 +0000

Yes, at St Paul’s in Cambridge, MA.

By: Ren Aguila

Ren Aguila — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 13:33:47 +0000

Speaking of what Cody said about the Great Litany in Episcopal/Anglican circles, I did read somewhere that Rome highly encourages the use of the Litany of the Saints in procession on the First Sunday of Lent. Does anyone observe this custom?

By: Charles Culbreth

Charles Culbreth — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:24:32 +0000

Jeff H, excellent! Thank you. I’ll pick one up today.

By: Jeffrey Herbert

Jeffrey Herbert — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:53:58 +0000

No… they are common hymn tunes (Hyfrydol, St. Anne, In Babilone, etc…). The Proper texts are fit to metrical form. I think these would be much more widely used if they were promoted as something more than an “oddity” or niche product.

By: Kathy Pluth

Kathy Pluth — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:41:02 +0000

The other day I watched the installation of the new bishop of Austin. Like several cathedral liturgies I’ve seen or attended recently, they sang an antiphon with a Psalm during the opening procession.

By: Lynne Gonzales

Lynne Gonzales — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:14:10 +0000

God made so many different kinds of people; why would God allow only one way to worship?…Martin Buber

By: Ioannes Andreades

Ioannes Andreades — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 02:43:44 +0000

To be fair, Dobszay only propses this where a trained schola can’t sing the propers on a regular basis. His primary concern isn’t the inclusion of the congregation, though I thought his suggestions were germaine to the piece. His push in the article is that the traditional Gregorian propers are integral to the rite and ommitting them unacceptable, though emphatically not from a “legal” viewpoint. However, If they can’t be sung as intended, what are plans B and C for including them? He had other suggestions, which I didn’t mention, as I thought they crossed a line into unacceptability.

By: Charles Culbreth

Charles Culbreth — Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:42:00 +0000

Jeffrey H.,
The Paluch Introits…..are these hymntunes composed by Mr. Tietze?

By: Anthony Ruff, OSB

Anthony Ruff, OSB — Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:25:10 +0000

It’s always interesting to read Dobszay, but this doesn’t sound like a very good idea to me. Sing one introit (the common), then recite another (the proper). What does that say about music being integral to the rite? Which is the real one, which one counts, why are we duplicating, are we just fulfilling legal obligations?
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By: Ioannes Andreades

Ioannes Andreades — Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:16:51 +0000

In “The Genius of the Roman Rite” (Hillenbrand), Laszlo Dobszay makes the following proposals for churches incapable of singing the Gregian propers but with the hope of engaging the congregation in the propers.

“…return to the old ‘set principle,’ which is to say using a collection of set pieces for an entire season…based upon the traditional Gradual. In such cases the celebrant, the ministers, and/or the congregation should, after chanting that ‘set’ piece, pray the Introit (or Offertory, etc.) proper to the day…[T]he Introit Ad te levavi…could be sung throughout Advent, followed by recitation of Introit proper of the day,” (p. 101)

“Latin and vernacular in combination…the solois/cantor chants the Latin Gregorian melody of the Introit…after which the congregation repeats it in their mother tongue on a simple tune, as a ‘sung translation’ so to speak,” (p.102)